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Let's say there is a car in front of mine on a straight motorway and its speedometer is showing 100 mph while mine is showing 80mph. But it's decelerating at 10mph/s, while mine is decelerating at 5mph/s. Would the distance between the cars get smaller or larger?

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  • $\begingroup$ If the two vehicles are in the same lane, the answers below indicate that 4 seconds into the braking phase, the distance would be zero at a relative velocity of 0mph. However, we know that the outcome won't be that the bumpers gently kiss one-another... An instant after first contact, one mass will still 'want' to gradually slow while the mass in its path 'wants' to rapidly slow. The inherent hazard of "tail-gating"... $\endgroup$
    – Fe2O3
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    $\begingroup$ "decelerating faster at 10mph" doesn't make sense. mph is a unit of speed, not acceleration. Please reword your question. $\endgroup$
    – g.kertesz
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    $\begingroup$ @g.kertesz "Losing 10mph per unit of time vs losing 5mph per unit..." The OP will benefit from the language, math and graphs below. SE communities and even staff all claim to wish to be welcoming and helpful... This pilgrim may (not yet) be able to precisely formulate their question in language suitable for all readers. Many readers "know what was meant", and (again) it's hoped that the OP will learn more from the (currently three) answers provided than merely "distance between the cars get smaller or larger?" $\endgroup$
    – Fe2O3
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  • $\begingroup$ Those drivers are going to have sore legs: it will take 10 hours to decelerate from 100mph to zero at that rate : ) $\endgroup$
    – Wookie
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  • $\begingroup$ Velocity is change in distance. $\endgroup$
    – usul
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Area under a speed against time graph is the distance travelled.
Car $A$ starts at $100\,\rm mph$ and accelerates at $-10\rm \, mph/s$ and Car $b$ starts at $80\,\rm mph$ and accelerates at $-5\rm \, mph/s$.

enter image description here.

$\bf 0\le time < 4 \,s$
Car $A$ is moving further away from car $B$.

$\bf 4\,s < time$
Car $B$ is moving closer to car $A$.


Algebraically, the speed of car $A$ relative to car $B$ is $(100-10\,t)- (80-5\,t)= 20-5\,t$.
This is positive (ie car $A$ is moving further away from car $B$) when $t<4$ and negative (ie car $B$ is moving closer to car $A$) when $t>4$

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  • $\begingroup$ Many thanks and I do like the graphs which help me understand this better. $\endgroup$
    – Dubious
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    $\begingroup$ @Fe2O3 Thank you for your comment. However, could not the overtaking have been performed at time $t=0$? $\endgroup$
    – Farcher
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    $\begingroup$ @Farcher The choice of 'zero' is arbitrary... Your answer is good; no worries. My -3 is also arbitrary... Yes, 'zero' could correspond to the moment the OP's vehicle is overtaken by the other car. Then, gap starts at zero and increases until both vehicles immediately brake (simultaneously??)... Just thinking "what was happening just before both vehicles were going along at their speeds (80, 100) and both actively braking... Your graph seems to have been what the OP needed to visualise the solution... All good! :-) (t = 0 could be the moment of colliding, too :-) $\endgroup$
    – Fe2O3
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    $\begingroup$ @Fe2O3 I think I now understand. What you have suggested is starting the cars together at an arbitrary negative time with speeds $100\,\rm mph$ and $80\,\rm mph$,and then applying the brakes at $t=0$ when it is realised that both cars are exceeding the national speed limit? $\endgroup$
    – Farcher
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    $\begingroup$ @Farcher German autobahns: stretches of NO speed limit... Seriously scary to consider "pulling out to overtake" when doing ONLY 130kph... But, yes. Relevant is instant when one is at 100mph and other is at 80mph... and OP's idea of differing "delta velocity" for each... In fact, prior to that instant rear vehicle could have been slowing from 95mph cruise while other was clipping along at 130mph... Braking of both need not be initiated at the same moment in time... Your graph, right now, has known info. Just suggesting "what happened prior" lends itself to lots of imagination... :-) "meep-meep" $\endgroup$
    – Fe2O3
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Your speed starts at $80$ mph but reduces by $5$ mph per - what ? I am going to guess this is meant to be a deceleration of $5$ mph per second. So after $t$ seconds your speed is $u = 80 - 5t$. And after $t$ seconds the other car's speed is $v = 100 - 10t$.

At time $t=0$ then $v=100$ and $u=80$ so $v>u$ and the distance between the cars is increasing. But at $t=4$ seconds we have $v=60$ and $u=60$, so the speed of the cars is the same. And at a time $t > 4$ seconds we have $u > v$ so the distance between the cars is now decreasing.

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Assuming both drivers started to decelerate at the same time. Other notations,- if you drive at speed $u$ before deceleration, then the other driver is going at $u \cdot p$,- some speed greater than yours by factor $p$. Same for deceleration,- other driver starts to decelerate at $a \cdot q$,- some deceleration by factor $q$ greater than yours.

Under these conditions we can construct kinematics equations, your covered distance $s_1$ and other driver's traveled distance $s_2$ : $$ s_1 = ut-1/2at^2 \\ s_2 = upt - 1/2aqt^2 \tag 1$$

Now subtracting one equation from the other in equation system (1) we get how distance between cars evolves over time :

$$ \tag 2 s_2-s_1 = \left( upt-1/2aqt^2 \right)-\left( ut-1/2at^2 \right) $$

Expanding (2) equation and grouping similar terms we arrive at final distance between drivers form :

$$ \tag 3 \Delta s = ut(p-1)-1/2at^2(q-1) $$

Separation of drivers with some $p,q$ factors when drawn in Desmos chart looks like this :
(your car unit speed and deceleration are used in a chart, i.e. $u=1~\text{m/s},~a=1~\text{m/s}^{\text{2}}$)

enter image description here

So, with your problem definition at first distance between drivers increases, but there is always a "no return point" in time when distance between drivers starts to decrease until it reaches zero. This is guaranteed by condition that $aq \gt a.$

EDIT

I have forgot to include initial distance between drivers $s_0$ in the $s_2$ expression of equation system (1). Doing that will not change much separation dynamics $\Delta s (t)$ over time given in Desmos chart. Only that zero distance between drivers will be reached later in time. That's the only profound difference while including $s_0$.

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